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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:51 pm
Post subject: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna?
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I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
off when the key goes off.
I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged in
and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external XP
radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes. The
battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:34 pm
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"rich" wrote in message
>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
> off when the key goes off.
>
> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged
> in
> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
> XP
> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
> The
> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>
There are 2 possible approaches to what you are trying to achieve. The
easiest one would be to use a slide-in fuse terminal tap on the load side of
the dome light fuse and power an additional 12 volt receptacle mounted under
the dashboard somewhere. By tapping the load side of the fuse, the
receptacles are protected by the dome light fuse. This leaves the original
wiring and receptacles intact and the modification is very easily removed.
The other possible approach is similar, but instead of mounting an
additional 12 volt receptacle, you unplug the wire harness from the back of
one of the factory receptacles and use an insulated female spade crimp
connector wired to the tapped fuse on the back of the factory receptacle.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:30 am
Post subject: Re: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"rich" wrote in message
>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
> off when the key goes off.
>
> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged
> in
> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
> XP
> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
> The
> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>
You'd have to cut the wires from those outlets and reroute them to a
constant hot power source, being sure to buy and install an inline fuse in
the new power line. The old wires feeding the outlets would, of course, need
to be safely terminated so they didn't short out against some metallic part
under the dash. Electrical tape is a lame solution for any of this work, in
case that was the first thing that came to mind. Only crimp connectors are
appropriate and there are no exceptions.
If this sounds like a daunting task, you may want to pay a reputable
mechanic or car audio installer to do it for you.
What happens to the GPS or radio when their backup batteries die? Do these
devices lose all their memory settings? >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:30 am
Post subject: Re: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
> "rich" wrote in message
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>>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
>> off when the key goes off.
>>
>> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
>> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged
>> in
>> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
>> XP
>> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
>> The
>> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
>> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>>
>
>
> You'd have to cut the wires from those outlets and reroute them to a
> constant hot power source, being sure to buy and install an inline fuse in
> the new power line. The old wires feeding the outlets would, of course,
> need to be safely terminated so they didn't short out against some
> metallic part under the dash. Electrical tape is a lame solution for any
> of this work, in case that was the first thing that came to mind. Only
> crimp connectors are appropriate and there are no exceptions.
>
> If this sounds like a daunting task, you may want to pay a reputable
> mechanic or car audio installer to do it for you.
>
> What happens to the GPS or radio when their backup batteries die? Do these
> devices lose all their memory settings?
Cutting wires is usually not a good thing, especially when all you have to
do is unplug the connector from the back of the receptacle.
Crimp connectors, while acceptable is some applications, are not always the
best solution. Scotch lock connectors are also acceptable, and a soldered
and insulated connection is the best.
--
Ray O
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:37 am
Post subject: Re: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>> "rich" wrote in message
>>
>>>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
>>> off when the key goes off.
>>>
>>> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
>>> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something
>>> plugged in
>>> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
>>> XP
>>> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
>>> The
>>> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>>>
>>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but
>>> couldn't
>>> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>>>
>>
>>
>> You'd have to cut the wires from those outlets and reroute them to a
>> constant hot power source, being sure to buy and install an inline fuse
>> in the new power line. The old wires feeding the outlets would, of
>> course, need to be safely terminated so they didn't short out against
>> some metallic part under the dash. Electrical tape is a lame solution for
>> any of this work, in case that was the first thing that came to mind.
>> Only crimp connectors are appropriate and there are no exceptions.
>>
>> If this sounds like a daunting task, you may want to pay a reputable
>> mechanic or car audio installer to do it for you.
>>
>> What happens to the GPS or radio when their backup batteries die? Do
>> these devices lose all their memory settings?
> Cutting wires is usually not a good thing, especially when all you have to
> do is unplug the connector from the back of the receptacle.
>
> Crimp connectors, while acceptable is some applications, are not always
> the best solution. Scotch lock connectors are also acceptable, and a
> soldered and insulated connection is the best.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the
right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is
possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation leaves
too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat shrink?
Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points on the
soldered connection. Many don't.
Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot. >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:37 am
Post subject: Re: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the
> right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is
> possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation
> leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat
> shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points on
> the soldered connection. Many don't.
>
> Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree 
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:55 am
Post subject: Re: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the
>> right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is
>> possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation
>> leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat
>> shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points on
>> the soldered connection. Many don't.
>>
>> Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot.
>
> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
> --
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> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
No. You're wrong. But, have a beer. Right over there ------> in the fridge.
I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp connection. >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:55 am
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with
>>> the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate
>>> is possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation
>>> leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat
>>> shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points on
>>> the soldered connection. Many don't.
>>>
>>> Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot.
>>
>> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
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> No. You're wrong. But, have a beer. Right over there ------> in the
> fridge.
>
> I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp
> connection.
Why would someone cut a factory wire harness and install even a properly
installed crimp connection when all you have to do is unplug the connector
from the receptacle? How many people have the proper crimpers for insulated
and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many people know there is even a
difference?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:44 am
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>>>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied
>>>> with the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions.
>>>> No debate is possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but
>>>> the insulation leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is
>>>> doing the work. Heat shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to
>>>> check for sharp points on the soldered connection. Many don't.
>>>>
>>>> Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot.
>>>
>>> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
>>>
>>>
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>> No. You're wrong. But, have a beer. Right over there ------> in the
>> fridge.
>>
>> I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp
>> connection.
>
> Why would someone cut a factory wire harness and install even a
> properly installed crimp connection when all you have to do is unplug
> the connector from the receptacle? How many people have the proper
> crimpers for insulated and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many
> people know there is even a difference?
I think the operative phrase here is "proper crimp connection". How many
people know how to do that? I've seen way too many crimps that were badly
done (dirty, loose, badly formed, insulation caught under the crimp, too
much pressure, etc...).
Welding is the best type of body repair. But a bad weld can be dangerous.
Anybody can weld, but how many can weld /properly/?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:21 am
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Ray, thanks for the help. From what I've found (using your first
suggestion) does this device appear to be the right choice??
http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/FUSE_TAP_ATC_SPADE_LARGE_p_2095.html
As I understand it, I plug this device in ( probably using an unused fuse
receptacle since I don't have --heated seats--- etc. ) ... I now would
prefer running the wire to a new double cigarette plug receptacle ( leaving
the original factory receptacles alone)...
Where do I safely run the other side of the female cigarette receptacle
wiring to? I presume it goes to "ground" somewhere. What might be the best
place to lift a screw, put a round terminal on the wire, and then replace
the screw?? thanks Rich
p.s. Is the Sienna a negative or positive grounded vehicle...(not that it
matters for what I am doing, I guess). >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:31 am
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Try turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch. MBMS
"rich" wrote in message
>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
> off when the key goes off.
>
> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged
> in
> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
> XP
> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
> The
> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
> >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:31 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:51 pm
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with
>>>> the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate
>>>> is possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation
>>>> leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat
>>>> shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points
>>>> on the soldered connection. Many don't.
>>>>
>>>> Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot.
>>>
>>> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>
>>
>> No. You're wrong. But, have a beer. Right over there ------> in the
>> fridge.
>>
>> I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp
>> connection.
>
> Why would someone cut a factory wire harness and install even a properly
> installed crimp connection when all you have to do is unplug the connector
> from the receptacle? How many people have the proper crimpers for
> insulated and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many people know there is
> even a difference?
> --
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> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. He'd have
a good reason to buy another tool. More tools are always a good thing, and
this one would be useful for electrical work around the house, too. >> Stay informed about: Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna? |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:22 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:30 pm
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"Tegger" wrote in message
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>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool.
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> I'd like that link.
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> I have a feeling my two crimping tools aren't very good. I can't make a
> "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have.
> Tegger
Used to be you could buy a good one from a Mac Tool truck, but not any more.
I have two of those. One is locked up with my guns, in case a household
helper loses the other one. 
If I were going to buy one today, it would be this, from Panduit, who also
makes the best crimp connectors I've ever used:
http://www.panduit.com/search/product_details.asp?Ntt=crimping+tool&N=...0001+30
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